@Freshfluke:
Music is a hard (to carry) business :-)
When i remember the first years od DJing, i carried about 200 pieces of Vinyl and nearly 300 CD's, Mixer, turntables, CD-Players...
And in the end there was no gig i was not missing one or two cd's.
Thank god for the invention of digital DJing (and Fraunhofer for inventing MP3)!
i feel that - i've started with vinyl too.
and i really dont need the kilos back on my back
and i really dont need the kilos back on my back
quote:Originally posted by djmm:
Elliot,
Thank you for your response. Yes, I did take your post the wrong way but it is written in a very misleading way. If you re-read it, it is written to sound like one in a hundred have problems. The fact is, all units are faulty. Some just have found a way to make it work by not speaking so loud or not using as much gain. Bottom line, the mic section of the VMS4 is faulty. We can all agree on that.
Listen, I am absolutely not here to cause problems. I LOVE my VMS4! I think it is very high quality and is built like a tank. I put it into my hard case, which is also very high quality, and this thing will last me a long time.
I have no problems with low output. I only have low output on the headphones. And, that's not that bad.
Will I have to remove the microphone adapters each time I close up the unit or are they made so that they plug in and then are flexible?
Keep up the great work.
Scott
Anyways to clarify this, all original VMS4s have the same microphone circuit, and if your application has the distortion issue it will have it even if you swap it for another one.
The microphone adapters have built-in transformers so unfortunately while it would be better if they could be flexible, they're not.
Well, that's great and all, but the frequencey response is not the issue. I can correct that with some EQ if I need to.
Has the output problem been fixed, and is there a fix for my current unit, or should I take it back to the dealer and swap it for another one?
As far as people not calling in to complain about the audio, once I found mine was utter crap, I then patched it into my behringer mixer, and use the mics attached to my behringer mixer.
I'm guessing a lot of dj's are either playing with this for club/home use, and don't use the mic.
Has the output problem been fixed, and is there a fix for my current unit, or should I take it back to the dealer and swap it for another one?
As far as people not calling in to complain about the audio, once I found mine was utter crap, I then patched it into my behringer mixer, and use the mics attached to my behringer mixer.
I'm guessing a lot of dj's are either playing with this for club/home use, and don't use the mic.
quote:Originally posted by emarx:quote:Originally posted by TulsaDJ:
I wish I had hooked this thing up to my main system earlier, I've had it since October, so I bet I can't return it. I hope once all these issues are resolved we can trade them in for a unit that might actually meet the printed specs.
My phone call to customer support was a joke, he didn't even acknowledge there was a problem.
I haven't had problems with headphone output, but have had the mic issue, and low output problem, as shown below. For now, my low audio and microphone audio fix will be accomplished by using a Behringer 1002, or Mackie 1402VLZ3
The following test was conducted yesterday by putting a .775v signal source into an analog channel of the VMS4.
Hey TulsaDJ,
Thanks for bringing this up. We did testing and got the dB dip on both the low end 20Hz and high end 20kHz reduced from about 1.2dB to 0.3dB. If we try to go flatter than this we'll run into other issues like power-up response on the 20Hz end and digital noise interference on the 20kHz end.
Also the level will be pulled way up with the increase in master output. The combination of the two will definitely improve the sound brightness.
Any word on the low audio fix? Are the new units fixed?
So my unit has the same mic distortion problem and I have not filled the form.. why?
1st I bought my unit in canada - montréal but I live in Brazil, I'm sure you will make problems with that even I having my receipt.
2nd, If I lost my adaptor, I can't be lost in the world with unfunctional mic inputs, soo what about to send us part of the schematics telling what to mod and I guess some people will open their units and modify then. I'm electronics engineer anyway (as many people here) we're able to do that.
1st I bought my unit in canada - montréal but I live in Brazil, I'm sure you will make problems with that even I having my receipt.
2nd, If I lost my adaptor, I can't be lost in the world with unfunctional mic inputs, soo what about to send us part of the schematics telling what to mod and I guess some people will open their units and modify then. I'm electronics engineer anyway (as many people here) we're able to do that.
quote:Originally posted by TulsaDJ:
Any word on the low audio fix? Are the new units fixed?
YES the new improved VMS4 (the 'Traktor' version) has - or will have - the fixed internal hardware.
Unfortunately it's looking increasingly like owners of the 'broken' original VMS4 version will be left out in the cold, despite earlier comments here about increased voltage power adaptors, asking us to "please wait for an official announcement" (we're still waiting) and emarx originally saying:
quote:there should be an option for existing users to get upgraded to a VMS4 with the fixes. I am definitely against what you call being "abandoned" because if you've found a legitimate design issue with the product you should have a way to get it fixed without having to pay full price again for the version with the fixes.
and then later changing to:
quote:expecting ADJ to offer free swaps on used product for every DJ...I don't think this is fair or reasonable.....stop expecting ADJ to be Santa Claus.
Here's my take on things from a professional DJ's point of view:
1 - The distorted mic issue meant under no circumstances could I use the mic live. Same problem with top of the range Sennheiser and Beyerdynamic mics. The fix with adapters works to a point but is cumbersome and defeats the compact nature of the unit. Unusable.
2 - The low volume output is a design flaw and for this units should be replaced. what's the point of buying a "standalone" unit then having to route the output through another mixer to boost the volume?. In my club for example I had to overdrive the output to get anywhere close to other mixers and red line everything with the resulting distortion. Unusable.
3 - Low headphone output is sort of acceptable depending on the type of headphones you have but still not acceptable. I found with my HD25 headphones it was OK but with the Pioneers which I prefer to work with the output was too low.
4 - Build quality issues. Switches not working, LED's at different brightnesses and grinding jogwheels. AA justify this to keep the price down. I don't get it.
Although I returned mine within the first week and got a full refund, I really feel for anyone else with a MK1 unit. AA should replace the unit as I personally feel it is unusable, others may have a different opinion.
P.S. The MC6000 is a hundred times better. OK, it is a lot more expensive but you get what you pay for. It did have an initial issue with VDJ but it was fixed in 3 weeks. Denon realise people buy these units to work with and fixing issues are a priority for them.
The VMS4 is probably OK for low grade mobile DJ's working through cheap amps and speakers but that's about it.
Keith
1 - The distorted mic issue meant under no circumstances could I use the mic live. Same problem with top of the range Sennheiser and Beyerdynamic mics. The fix with adapters works to a point but is cumbersome and defeats the compact nature of the unit. Unusable.
2 - The low volume output is a design flaw and for this units should be replaced. what's the point of buying a "standalone" unit then having to route the output through another mixer to boost the volume?. In my club for example I had to overdrive the output to get anywhere close to other mixers and red line everything with the resulting distortion. Unusable.
3 - Low headphone output is sort of acceptable depending on the type of headphones you have but still not acceptable. I found with my HD25 headphones it was OK but with the Pioneers which I prefer to work with the output was too low.
4 - Build quality issues. Switches not working, LED's at different brightnesses and grinding jogwheels. AA justify this to keep the price down. I don't get it.
Although I returned mine within the first week and got a full refund, I really feel for anyone else with a MK1 unit. AA should replace the unit as I personally feel it is unusable, others may have a different opinion.
P.S. The MC6000 is a hundred times better. OK, it is a lot more expensive but you get what you pay for. It did have an initial issue with VDJ but it was fixed in 3 weeks. Denon realise people buy these units to work with and fixing issues are a priority for them.
The VMS4 is probably OK for low grade mobile DJ's working through cheap amps and speakers but that's about it.
Keith
i totally agree with you keith!
it's time for us the buyers of the first edition units to see the situation as it is!
AA is not planing to replace our units because if they wanted to do it they would make some kind of official announcement.
a lot of people are waiting here...
it's time for us the buyers of the first edition units to see the situation as it is!
AA is not planing to replace our units because if they wanted to do it they would make some kind of official announcement.
a lot of people are waiting here...
totally agree, we should seek some kind of solution or take any legal action because it does not seem right that we stay with our buggy versions
Let me know if you get anywhere on this. In the meantime, next chance I get by GC where I bought this, I'll be having some discussion with them to exchange it for another unit.
I guess I should have bought the extended warranty through GC, but I shouldn't have to. The unit doesn't meet spec period, that in itself is a breach.
I don't care if they swap, or repair my current unit, but something really needs to happen. I guess it's time to take this message to youtube.
I guess I should have bought the extended warranty through GC, but I shouldn't have to. The unit doesn't meet spec period, that in itself is a breach.
I don't care if they swap, or repair my current unit, but something really needs to happen. I guess it's time to take this message to youtube.
I agree with all of you here i watched one of the "designers" turn quite nasty with a few members in another thread over these issues defending his "hard work" well lets face it we have seen the new flaw free units wich proves there was a fault and AA has offered us nothing but bull until the statement about us expecting them to be santa cluse. We arnt expecting santa clause just them to do right by there customers if a car is released with a design fault then they send out a letter calling for a recall and the fault is put right why any different in this case we are told its faults are due to keeping costs down so, is AA admitting to supplying a cheap peace o carp from a cheap company trying to cheap out with this excuse at the risk of there reputation. They released this to be a market first to try and build there reputation not prove it to be bad. I have found ADJ lighting to be fantastic and do as it says on the tin if not more its a shame the audio side of the company dosent follow suit as for the quote about apple taking every i phone 4 and replacing it no its not expected but they advertised a fix and software updates to cure the other problems. but apple are a big company that dont claim they produced it cheaply so dont grumble nintendo saw a problem with the wii to me getting over aggressive and slinging the remote through the tv was the users fault, but no they sent out a free fix because they value there customers and reputation on there market leading product (back when it was released). So all we ask is a free fix not a replacement unit or the excuse of what do you expect it was produced cheaply.
coming back from a 3 days workshop using the vms that worked like a charm all the time, i'm pretty surprised by the chatter that's going on here.
quote:Originally posted by DJ Freshfluke:
coming back from a 3 days workshop using the vms that worked like a charm all the time, i'm pretty surprised by the chatter that's going on here.
VMS4 Velocity or VMS4 Traktor ?
quote:Originally posted by DJ Freshfluke:
coming back from a 3 days workshop using the vms that worked like a charm all the time, i'm pretty surprised by the chatter that's going on here.
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quote:VMS4 Velocity or VMS4 Traktor ?
the "old" vms4, the one that i used without trouble for about a year now.
I'm so confused. I intend to buy one of this VMS4 consoles (Velocity) because of its features and design but I don't know who to believe... lots of VMS4 owners are saying that it has some soundcard problems (low output of master and heaphones); DJ Freshfluke's console works perfectly... 
... it's a so irritating situation!
... it's a so irritating situation!
dj freshfluke's I know you've got a long time vms4,when it was still on the market
Your vms4 is different from all other,and you know it
sorry for my english
Your vms4 is different from all other,and you know it
sorry for my english
I've owned my VMS4 for about 6 months. I run a Shure SM58 wireless rig and had major mic distortion problems from the first time I used it. I contacted American Audio and their customer service was great. They sent the adapter out immediately and it helped a lot. Another problem, however, was the adapter is pretty long and coupled with the XLR connector the darn thing stuck out a mile from the back of my VMS4. I've read people frustrated with this issue so I thought I'd let you know how I fixed the problem. Instead of plugging the adaptor into the back of the VMS4 I installed it inline at the wireless receiver. I had to buy an XLR-female 1/4" adaptor but because all of it sits inside my road case it didn't matter.
I also noticed that the new Denon MC-6000 is rack-mountable. Is there any plans to make future models rack-mountable? I was able to do some creative work with Velcro to attach my VMS4 to the slant rack on my case, and all is well.
Thanks to American Audio for a controller that for the most part has delivered a product that works great.
I also noticed that the new Denon MC-6000 is rack-mountable. Is there any plans to make future models rack-mountable? I was able to do some creative work with Velcro to attach my VMS4 to the slant rack on my case, and all is well.
Thanks to American Audio for a controller that for the most part has delivered a product that works great.
quote:Originally posted by Tony Cagnoni:
Your vms4 is different from all other,and you know it
nope, my beta-device was exchanged with a normal series model after they came on the market. the output is a bit low, but it's nowhere near as "unusuable" as some ppl try to suggest here... and for the mic thing: ADJ took care of it and retrofits it. the device itself was real sturdy and reliable during that year of use. i cant complain.
@ mr. paul: if you're planning to buy the vms, i would wait that bit until the new version is out, there will be some hardware improvements.
quote:Originally posted by DJ Freshfluke:
@ mr. paul: if you're planning to buy the vms, i would wait that bit until the new version is out, there will be some hardware improvements.
OK, many thanks for the info on that aspect.
@ DJ Freshfluke
When will be out the new version? (if you have any idea)
How can I figure if the store where i'm buying the vms4 it is selling me "the new version"? It will have a new name or something? (this is not a joke!!!)
The price will be higher for the new version? (in romania, vms4 velocity costs 550$ or 400 euros) (again, if you have any idea)
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Paul:
When will be out the new version? (if you have any idea)
i have no definite date yet...
quote:How can I figure if the store where i'm buying the vms4 it is selling me "the new version"? It will have a new name or something? (this is not a joke!!!)
while the current version is sold with VDJ LE, the future version will be sold with traktor LE.
quote:The price will be higher for the new version?
i honestly dont know. interesting question though, i will try to get some intel on that.
check also http://vms4.eu for news!
quote:Originally posted by DJ Freshfluke:
while the current version is sold with VDJ LE, the future version will be sold with traktor LE.
I hope you are not talking about VMS4 Traktor which is about 1770$ (1300 euros) and it's available in some stores in Romania.
I don't get it, why the Traktor version it's so expensive? It costs three times more than the velocity version...
At that price I could buy the Pioneer's DDJ T1 which I don't know if it's better than vms4 traktor but it's a Pioneer and I think it has more functions than any other controller (as I've seen in the official presentation video). I've used some Pioneer cd players and I know how they "feel" like.
quote:
Trust me, I am doing that, daily.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Paul:quote:Originally posted by DJ Freshfluke:
while the current version is sold with VDJ LE, the future version will be sold with traktor LE.
I hope you are not talking about VMS4 Traktor which is about 1770$ (1300 euros) and it's available in some stores in Romania.
I don't get it, why the Traktor version it's so expensive? It costs three times more than the velocity version...
At that price I could buy the Pioneer's DDJ T1 which I don't know if it's better than vms4 traktor but it's a Pioneer and I think it has more functions than any other controller (as I've seen in the official presentation video). I've used some Pioneer cd players and I know how they "feel" like.quote:
Trust me, I am doing that, daily.
Dear Mr. Paul,
we don´t know how / why this information was published, but it is definitely not correct!!!
The launch date for VMS4 - Traktor Edition is planned in the early summer of 2011.
The street (market) price will approximately be between € 500.00 and € 600.00 EUR.
It will be a little more expensive than VMS4 - VDJ Edition, but it will include VMS4 Traktor LE Software (4 Decks) and a new VMS4-Traktor-Frontplate!
So you don´t need to be afraid that VMS4 Traktor Edition will be as expensive as advertised by some stores in Romania!!!
Please send an email to service@adjgroup.eu, with link(s) of that stores?
Thank you in advance!
If you have any further question, please contact service@adjgroup.eu!
Best Regards,
ADJ Europe Support Team
quote:Originally posted by JanADJEurope:
Please send an email to service@adjgroup.eu, with link(s) of that stores?
Thank you in advance!
Well, I think that you'll probably find it after a google.ro (i'm using that) search "vms4 traktor".
Here's another 2 questions:
- The vms4 velocity controllers next to be delivered to shops will have the sound issues (that low output that everyone's talking about) fixed? If YES, how we'll recognize those controllers as "new & fixed" in shops? (is there a serial numbers lot, or something related, after we can recognize those new controllers?)
I hope this question didn't sounded silly, but I want to be sure that if i'm spending some money on a vms4, I want to be "up & running", you know, and not to be forced to return it to the shop or use additional devices to ensure that the sound level, or something else, is good.
- The new vms4 Traktor will include that sound fix. Is that correct?
quote:Originally posted by emarx:
Headphones & Master: Higher voltage power supply adapter for higher output. Testing in progress.
what spec on this higher voltage power supply? how musch V/A
p.s I have tried a 6 and 7 V 1 A they bouth gave stronger lights and seam to make VMS4 a bit louder but I also got a humming sound.
Gentle Reminder about the low output problem...
quote:Originally posted by TulsaDJ:
Well, that's great and all, but the frequencey response is not the issue. I can correct that with some EQ if I need to.
Has the output problem been fixed, and is there a fix for my current unit, or should I take it back to the dealer and swap it for another one?
As far as people not calling in to complain about the audio, once I found mine was utter crap, I then patched it into my behringer mixer, and use the mics attached to my behringer mixer.
I'm guessing a lot of dj's are either playing with this for club/home use, and don't use the mic.quote:Originally posted by emarx:quote:Originally posted by TulsaDJ:
I wish I had hooked this thing up to my main system earlier, I've had it since October, so I bet I can't return it. I hope once all these issues are resolved we can trade them in for a unit that might actually meet the printed specs.
My phone call to customer support was a joke, he didn't even acknowledge there was a problem.
I haven't had problems with headphone output, but have had the mic issue, and low output problem, as shown below. For now, my low audio and microphone audio fix will be accomplished by using a Behringer 1002, or Mackie 1402VLZ3
The following test was conducted yesterday by putting a .775v signal source into an analog channel of the VMS4.
Hey TulsaDJ,
Thanks for bringing this up. We did testing and got the dB dip on both the low end 20Hz and high end 20kHz reduced from about 1.2dB to 0.3dB. If we try to go flatter than this we'll run into other issues like power-up response on the 20Hz end and digital noise interference on the 20kHz end.
Also the level will be pulled way up with the increase in master output. The combination of the two will definitely improve the sound brightness.
any news about the output and headphone fix?
NOT YET! I'm reading this forum daily in order to see news and opinions about VMS4 because I intend to buy it,and I want to buy a "perfect working" device. Hope to see some news.
Hope to see some news.
finally received my adapters after 5months..... thanks!