X-Move change Gobo

There are a few companies that make custom gobos for a wide variety of fixtures, including ADJ.

Jingles will probably post up something to give you additional direct information.

In the meantime, start researching on your own. You'll need to determine if you need glass or metal, and how you intend to use "white" space sort of issues.

The bottom line is that you should be able to do this. If doing this with an LED fixture, you need it to be a single LED element, not multiple LED's or you won't get a coherent beam that would be gobo compatible.

i like http://www.internetapollo.com/
Or www.rosco.com
Also be sure you tell them all the specs of your light when ordering. im not sure a glass gobo would project well with a LED source so maybe take that into consideration and go for all steel gobo's.

BUT i just remembered that the x series uses a wheel with the gobos simply cut out on the wheel. So maybe be VERY hard to order this.
Sincerely,

Jingles,
Thanx for the prompt reply.
My intent is to backward engineer the X-move by removing the oem steel gobo wheel and replacing it with a custom made design with the client branding. This is a triple wide collapsible tractor trailer that I have converted into a rolling night club. This is going on a 35 stop / 7 month promo road tour. Due to interior height limitations most changeable gobo LED lights were not usable. Our technical pedigree includes everything from mechanical models to interactive trade show environments, so taking apart the X-move and reassembling it doesn't bother us. It helps to have a technical blow up / or service diagram to minimize bench time (and of course time is of the essence.. this leaves on Monday May 11)
Any insights or thoughts are welcome.
Matt

Sorry to get off topic, but that is an interesting thought jingles about LEDs and glass gobos. Thinking about it, it makes prefect sense. LEDs project a very specific wave length, and glass gobos, the color ones anyway, work by blocking certain wave lengths. Since LEDs don't project all those wavelengths, I just assume that color glass gobos would be fairly useless with standard glass gobos. I am sure someone could make a costume one tailored to LEDs, but at what cost? Seems LEDs just hit another wall, since I use glass gobos much more often then steel ones in movers.

This is all just thoughts and theories.

Back on topic, sounds like an interesting project Matt. With the height restrictions, have you looked into wide angle fixtures, like 70 degrees or 90 degrees? I have a few 70 degree barrels and love them for short throw things, the only issue is they start to fish eye and focus for things like sign projection needs to be straight on since the focal point changes due to size of the beam. Break up projection, however, is not an issue, since it is just that, breakup.

So, what you're in effect saying is that a WHITE LED isn't really white then, right?

White = equal representation of all colors.

That would never have crossed my mind, but it does make perfect sense with the glass gobos because you're absolutely right, you're using colored or dyed glass.

Back on topic as well:

Have you considered a Projector 150? Despite being discontinued, you can use an inkjet or laser printer and with the right overhead transparency sheets, produce gobos to your heart's desire. I doubt this would be the case for you though. I think having the 1 custom punched steel gobo wheel would be perfect. The Projector 150 is NOT DMX, but you can control it via a switcher pack. You can also disconnect the motor.

It's a shame this fixture is discontinued. It's so simply to use and really is a good fixture in my opinion. I guess the demand just wasn't there. Perhaps ADJ could be persuaded to bring this one back?

(No,you can't have mine!!)

Not in LED terms. LED 'white' will just project a certain color temperature and that's it, be it 3200k-6500k. White LEDs are also really Blue/UV LEDs with a yellow phosphor coating on the outside to block UV. You are thinking in terms of color mixing, added more colors, closer to white as oppose to paint, add more colors, closer to black. This is basically what white LEDs do, project blue/uv and add the yellow phosphor to make 'white'. So it is a spike in 450nm and a curve from 500nm to 650nm. It dips from 450nm to 500nm and raises back up to 550nm and starts to fall off again. Nothing below 425nm or above 650nm really. A way you can prove this, that an ARB system (what I use for my 'primary' colors since I hate green) and mix amber and blue together, it will make a 'white'.

Even lamps only send out a certain range of wavelengths. The major difference is that lamps send out the whole spectrum with more of a certain wavelength then others, like an ocean. You have high points and low points, and points which are flat and points which water doesn't exist or very little does.

This is also one of the reasons it is thought that long term exposure to LEDs can actually damage your eyes. It would be like taking a graph and dropping all the frequencies except one, say 1k, over loading and damaging your ears or at least 1k range that is. Again, a lot of this is still theorized.

Oh, something else I just remembered. White and black really aren't 'colors' per say. Black is the absorption of all visible light and white is the reflection of all visible light. With this is mind, LEDs just make an imitation white. After all, what you actually see the the color reflecting off of something, be it the air, set pieces, cloths, people, or the LED caps themselves.

Its a really weird concept, something only physics people can really grasp. But basically, what we see when is reflections off objects that our minds translate into colors as oppose to the colors themselves, otherwise we would see light itself everywhere and that would be a headache . Just like the reason the sky is blue is because it is the shortest visible wave length and refracted off the atmosphere. This goes back to the 'perceived white' thing again I talked about on another thread.