The untimate concert system!!!

Trak Beat,
They may want to go with the Concept 2's, and the new Concept Colors instead of the Rainbows, and Ultra-Scans. The Ultra's and Rainbows are both awesome, but it may just be me I'd go with the newer technology. There are also many other new products on the horizon, I believe including a new moving head, so just keep your options open for now.

Theres an frost filter you can put on the concept colors very cool color changer!! Rotating gobos are very cool since you don't see them much in small even big concerts.

Good call Stevie Ray,
That's areally good idea. Go with 16 concept colors, and 12 concept 2's....or you might they could go with the rainbows and maybe 6 roller trons and 6 scan trons to give the show a little diversity. The possibilities are endless. Sounds like an awsome show though!! If ethey don;t like it...I'll take it!! Oh also...fog or haze is a must with all the intells!
-AMP

I thought rainbows because they can easily turn into a wash by un-focusing the light, and with the concept color, its a frost filter, and if you lose it, your outta luck.

OR....Try this. It will give you a pro grade show with much better lights and much better control, PLUS you will have all of the features the pros use. Color mixing, wash lights, etc.

Look at 4 of These,
4 of These,
4 of These
4 or 8 of These (if you can find them)
1 of these

no no no all all wrong, if you have a budget of 12g then look at 150-wat moving heads

Madness what is wrong with you. You can mention Elation here.

If you are using the color changers to replace the par cans for stage lighting, you may seriously want to consider these. They are made by Elation, a partner of American DJ.

there are three 575 watt bulbs in each of them

4/8 of them would be fantastic

Elation Stage Color

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Originally posted by DJ Stevie Ray:
[qb] Madness what is wrong with you. You can mention Elation here. [/qb]

Huh?

I thought you didn't know you can talk about Elation here. That is why you kept saying get "These" Instead of the name of the company, and actual lights.

Oh, lol. Nah, I knew that, I'm just too lazy to type the names. I just copied/pasted the links.

I agree with madness... but 150w moving heads wouldnt be bad either.

FYI, I went to the 311 concert last wednesday, and what lights were on the main truss above them? 4 Wash moving heads and 4 Profile moving heads (well, 5, but you get the point). Now there were other lights, but just those woulf give you an awesome lightshow.

Also, you will need box truss, crank stands, and a good haze machine. Arch truss may work.


Haha...Stevie Ray, you called him Track Spot!

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Originally posted by Dj Mad Nice:
[qb]Haha...Stevie Ray, you called him Track Spot! [/qb]

Huh?? lol

the arch truss works well for them, it comes in pieces, doesnt take long to set-up, and its unique because most people have box, squares...etc. it also allows mounting effects at the bottom, without having them mounted to stands/pieces of wood to hold them up

Awww, way to edit and make ME look stupid!

I's suggest not getting two boards.Get the Elation CompuWare software and run the whole show together, and better. The Operator, and Designer are good boards, but the controller is not the place to save money on a system like this. Besides, if you can find a reasonably priced computer or laptop, it won't be that much more expensive.

my luck with computers, as well as most people I know, crash, blow up, or get a virus days after its out of the box. Not saying your idea isnt great, the compuware thing is pretty cool, just if the computer fails in a way, you wont have back-up. With the 2 controllers, if one fails, you can combine everything to one controller.

you may wanna take a look at the Show Cue...that looks great, and has a joystick so you can use one of the moving yokes as a follow spot

Trak Beat, just out of curiosity, have you ever used DMX before? Not to be rude, but it's not as easy as just using the other controller, you have to reprogram it, and with all the lights you want to get, it won't be an eay thing. Like I said before, and Megastever just said, look at the Show Cue. It's a LIGHT BOARD, not just a simple DMX controller. It has macros, a joystick, etc. This is what the pros use. You'd be hard pressed to go to a concert and see the LD using a DMX operator...or even a Show Designer.

I've used DMX (Even before it was called DMX, the USITT.), and for me, I've been around high-end types of lighting since I was like 10. From there, playing with controllers, and then adding powerpacks/dimmerpacks to a chain of scanners, and then re-setting all the addressess, its not that hard. Everyone has their standing in programming lights for DMX. For some its easy as cake, others its harder.

I've used DMX (Even before it was called DMX, the USITT.), and for me, I've been around high-end types of lighting since I was like 10. From there, playing with controllers, and then adding powerpacks/dimmerpacks to a chain of scanners, and then re-setting all the addressess, its not that hard. Everyone has their standing in programming lights for DMX. For some its easy as cake, others its harder.

And they decided to use one controller, and buy a used whole hog for a steal.

You know we have all this talk about DMX and such...but does anyone actuallu know what DMX stands for? I don't so thats why I'm askin.
AMP

digital multiplexing??

I think it's just Digital Multiplex.

Track Beat. I have a similer rig to what you are looking at, and have you thought about how much this all weight's,my back truses loaded with 8 250's and 6 amd dj'scans, is about 200lb's,you need wind ups to fly them.and then I have a truss of 9 feet of each side to the front of the stage each with 4 dj scans and 3 250's and 2 roller on the front facing out to the auidance,another 100 lb's each side. You have to truck this around,carry it in assemble it ,2 3/4 hrs if it is a good load in,(2 men).test run it.Then there is the pack up and load out,the club owners arnt very patient when it comes to closing.I really love useing my rig (mainly for tribute bands)but it is a lot off work .Doug Australia

weight is no problem for arch truss. Older bridges use the arch shape, and so to VW Beetles. The arch is stronger than a square or a triangle. It has its advantages, and its disadvantages. But nothing has happened yet except bulbs that need changing and the need for more swifter cloths to clean the lights from dust.

So is the system pruchased? Do you have pictures?

Here we go: nice stage show COMPLETE with cases

Front Lighting:
>8 Par 64's loaded with 500 watt lamps $400
>2 LSC DP-DMX 20L dimmer packs $400 (I use these and I love them to death)
>2 LTS 10 Tripod light stands $240
>(A)ltman Comet Follow spot $1000 (you can spot your performers during solo's. When the spot is not on tour with the band, you can rent it to churches and schools)

Rear Lighting:
>4 Elation Active Scan intelligent lights $4000 (from Elation's site)
>12 Par 64 cans loaded with 500 watt lamps $600
>3 LSC DP-DMX 20L dimmer packs $600
>Two 10 foot triangular truss sections link them together on tow of the stands listed below and mount your lighting behind the band $300
>Two crank stands to fly your rear truss in the air $1000

Control System:
>Show Designer for the intel's $800
>Scene setter 24 to control the par cans $300
(the reason for a separate dimmer board is so that the operator can "bump" individual channels to go with the music) (this is also useful if you wanted to rent your par can rig out without your intel's and vise versa)

>>or use some type of PC based control system<<


Other Items:
>A really really good fog machine like a Magnum Pro $500
>Case of fog fluid $100
>Color gel sheets $60
>30 Clamps $150
>XLR Cable $???
>Build some nice road cases. I had a friend build me some really really nice 2'x2'x4' cases with materials from a hardware store $450 (painted black with really really nice casters)


Power needed:
5: 20 Amp circuits for the dimmer packs
1: 20 Amp circuit for the fogger
1: 20 Amp circuit for the intel's
1: Extra, just for the heck of it.

Thats EIGHT 20 amp circuits to run your light show, not even counting your PA rig. Your best bet is to invest in a power distro for your lighting. You can make one yourself or buy one online. Honestly I don't know how much that would cost.

You are also going to need some good black 12 guage cable to go to your dimmer packs and intelligent lights. (can't price that either)

INVEST IN A TRAILOR

$10900

If you SHOP AROUND and deal your cards right you can probably SAVE a lot of cash. When the band is not touring you can rent out the intelligent lighting and stage lighting as separate systems to theatre's, bands, etc and always have cash to maintain the lighting system.