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Doing some reading, it appears that the United States Federal goverment wants us to all do away with all incandesent lighting starting in 2012, with total phase out by 2014. Europe seems to be a big more aggressive in their schedule.

Many of you who read my threads know how down to the watt and volt and amp I am about current draws and lighting. It's hard to run decent lighting rigs with 15-amp circuit or two, plus run full mains and backline. It ain't fun.

This is where it seems that the future for lighting is still bright. Lighting isn't going anywhere except continuing to go up on trusses suspended above audiences. I just can't see that changed. I can see more footlight applications but again, that doesn't lead to a decrease in lighting.

Note how ADJ seems to be migrating their lines off of traditional lighting and onto LED technology. At this point, what I'm seeing is not a gradual change, but rather a rapid movement. Of course, I bet companies such as ADJ knew about these law changes long before most of us since not all of us actually build lighting fixtures.

Now, on the one hand, I'm rather pleased. What does the LED technology mean? It means several things that work in favor for most of us. The LED technology seems to produce equal lighting than their traditional incandescent counterparts. The upsides to this are two-fold: less power draw and less heat. I want more light with less power draw, and LED does that fine for me. However, I'm not the one under the stage lights, but hey, if my performers aren't getting sweaty up on stage from my lights, then I'm all for that as well. It appears LED's are extremely long lasting, which means that you may never need to change bulbs. And doing some quick memory comparisons, it appears that in many cases, the new LED fixtures are coming in at prices equivalent to the incandescent fixtures they are replacing. There are of course exceptions, but you'll see why those make sense.

Take for example the new LED Electra with a MSRP price of $159.95. It ain't gonna sell for that much. Compare that with the Electra I bought in 2002 for $100 for a 50-watt fixture, which was then improved with a new stylish case for the same retail price, and then upgraded to a 200-watt fixture, all without a price change. Now, they've moved it to a LED fixture. This isn't a simple "swap out the bulb and put it in the catalog", it's a lot more electrically complicated than that. Chances are, this will retail for around $119-$130. Now, there is a DMX version as well for MSRP of $200. I bet that will retail for $160 street, and considering less dimmer and power packs to lug around, you can see where money savings really start kicking in.

Now, then again, some fixtures don't quite add up the same way. Take the LED Par64's. Granted, the $300 price tag might be a big much to eat, but considering a street price of around $60 for a traditional Par64 and you'd need at least 3, that's up to $180, and you need a DP-DMX20L dimmer, and those tend to demand around $180 new retail. Are you really saving now? Not by going the old way you aren't. You're coming out ahead going LED. Get color mixing, less fixtures and no color gelling Having said that, I'm budgetting for 8 Pro LED Par64's this year. I can phase out my 32 Par38s at last!

I'm only mentioning specific fixtures, but ADJ has replaced many of my other fixtures with LED equivalents, some also with DMX. My complaint is that "I put all this money into these other fixtures, now I have to replace them". What do I get? I get a figure that should last longer, run all night, less draw and same light output. On top of that, I might spend a bit more and get the DMX versions when available. I only lose because I bought before this stuff was available. But if I buy the LED replacements, I win in areas that count(current draw, less heat, same brightness) and only lose because I have to buy new fixtures.

The writing is on the wall, or at least printed in some snotty law books. ADJ has seen it, as has their Elation counterparts. Other companies have seen it too.

Now is the time to stop thinking with your wallet for immediate short term issues. Sure, a incandescent Par64 will cost you less, but if you use a bank of 3 to do RGB color mixing, that's BIG draw, 1500-1800 watts for 3 fixtures. You can run more than 12 LED Par64s off that, but you won't need that many. How does the economics pan out now?

My suggestion: Many LED fixtures aren't costing that much more than their incandescent counterparts. And it seems ADJ is cramming DMX into more and more fixtures for just a bit more. I would suggest that all of you start looking at the big picture and project 3-5 years down the road. Get a DMX cnotroller, get DMX fixtures whenever possible. Minimize your purchase of dimmer packs. You're gonna save time in the long run, but spend more money in the short term. But you should get an ROI of less than 24 months if you're busy.

It's time to remember Rule #1: Get paid.
You want to get paid? Buy smart. It's great that so many of you want to get into this business because you love music. I do to, probably more than most of you. But do I want to break my back loading in and out 2 tons of gear(yes, it's more than that at last count) which includes mains, monitors, backline, lighting, video and recording for free? Hell no. I ain't moving squat unless money is hitting my wallet. I ain't stupid. Rule #1 always applies.

My lights need upgrades. ADJ will get me to where I need to be. By phasing out my incandescent fixtures and going LED, I get what I want: more lights, less draw, fewer circuits. This means more gigs. This means more money. I can still use some of my previous investments, I just have to mind the draw.

Getting paid is good. Gotta spend money to make money. Of course, I got to replace the $10,000 in gear that was stolen from me last year too. It's gonna be a rough 2008, but I'm sticking in there. LED is the way to go. I am interested to see what else ADJ comes out with. Since I check here frequently, I'll know as soon as everyone else does.
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LED fixtures continue to under-impress me. I think they need to get away from trying to dazzle us with Atari 2600 green, blue and red dots and figure out a way to simply use them as replacements for traditional incandescent lamps. ADJ's X-series is heading in the right direction, but I don't think we have the brightness yet. There is also the issue of the rigid and overly precise color temps of the LEDs. They lack the warmth. It's like vinyl next to 16-bit digital - not the same "feel".

Low-power and no-fan is great.. A dream.. I hope it can be made real without loss of performance in the future. It's definitely not there yet.
I agree with SaturnA. The "dots" are cool for certain applications, but would really serve no purpose other than clubs and dj's. If we can't use conventional lighting we need an LED replacement, such as the LED Pars, which are a little overpriced, I think. I'm kinda glad they are setting this law in place, because in the long run it will save money and some time. However, conventional lighting works really well in theaters and I'm not sure if their LED counterparts can live up to the expectation, but who knows, with the way LED fixtures are becoming they may blow convent. lighting out of the water.

Just my opinions!

jthtiger
If you think switching to LED and floresent technologies is gonna save us all money, think again.

All power companies are in an "alliance" with the goverment that ENSURES all power companies make a profit. When they see usage dips and profits plummet, the power companies will just tweak their rates accordingly.

Remember, the power company ALWAYS wins in the end.

Since most of my stages are small, the LED lights will do just fine. There is a filter out now to take the "edge" off the lights, however, as far as color temperature correction, I can't say much for that. Remember, I'm an audio guy first and foremost. Everything else is a distant second. Maybe you should run your LED fixtures for 24-hours and just kind of "mellow them out"? I doubt it works that way with LED's.

No argument about how well conventional lighting is working in theater and touring applications. Then again, when you're working in a venue that is designed to accomodate such high current draw, you get a generally successful result. "Hey, I need 400-amps of 3-phase transformer isolated and balanced AC via 5 leads" and boom: there's the unit on the wall that will provide your hook-ups.

Walk into the typical arrangement: a restaurant, hall or other "general purpose event location" and you're lucky to get 50 amps all to yourself. Lights are a power pig. To get adequate coverage, you need adequate lights, and that isn't a low-draw situation.

Now, for example, trying to phase out my Par38's, I bought 2 Color Fusions, which running at 100%, well, there's a 15-amp circuit all sucked up and at maximum. Overall impression? Didn't work too well. Wasted money? Sort of. I have other applications for them.

Should I go with regular Par56's or 64's? No. Too high draw, not enough dispersion. I get less lights, can't hit enough spots. Gotta mix 3 lights minimum to get any color I want(I do RGB mixing), so it's just too high a draw. I can get by with the Par38s', but I'm not overall pleased with the results. The issue is I can't get enough power for lighting. If the LED Par64's can give me a decent spread on the typical stage(say, 20'X12'), I'm good to go. 8 color mixng cans, low draw. Yeah, I can go for that. But then you throw the brightness issue... Well, I have an application in July where the fixtures(LED Par64s) are going to be 20-feet from the stage, but chances are I'll run them 100%(that being white) the entire time. Is this gonna work? Do they lack the throw? Not enough brightness to project? Well, maybe i gotta reconsider....

I'm not saying LED's don't have a long way to go. I'm in agreement.

For example, back to the new LED Electra, it looks like instead of using dichroic glass to produce the colors, it looks like they are using LED's instead. Why not use a single white or proper temperature-white LED assembly inside and otherwise have it act like the plain old dichroic Electra?

Again, I always have to look at things from a "getting it done" point of view, and with pro gear, I gotta know what my current draw is. I know what my audio FOH position pulls(15 amps solid), I know what my mains pull(at clipping) and know what my backline needs. Considering running flat out on mains, I'm pulling 130-amps. That's just MAINS, not FOH or backline. Backline needs another 30 amps minimum for flat out. Well, monitors. THe backline is usually not my issue, but I like to have another 20 amps there. And lighting I know I would pull over 100 amps running full on, which I never do.

Keep in mind MSRP and street are two different worlds. BUt when you break down 3 Par64's using traditional technology and hence requiring a dimmer pack, if the end results are the same with the LED fixture, then the LED comes out ahead. But if not, then....

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