new lighting install

are the strobes dmx controllable? if the strobes are dmx then u shouldn't need any dimmer packs or nothing. sounds good ! what controller are u gonna be using?

yea they are DMX. I will be using Compuclub to controll these as well as two LED Dance Panels, one Vision color250, One Waterfall 250, and 8 sets of Octopod 80's. Thanks Jingles!

No dimmers for DMX fixtures - it will damage them. Just use direct power from the 'wall' sockets, and use the breaker panel to turn them on and off at the beginning and end of the night.

How are you rigging the truss to the ceiling?

Very good question. We are researching the strongest posible way to hang it. The ceiling has metal rafters that we will hang it from. ANy suggestions Tech?
Thanks

I ask because I've been into a lot of places where their rigging is a little on the scary side.

I am by no means a rigging expert, but I do know that if something is suspended by aircraft cable/chain and is hanging from metal there needs to be some sort of buffer in between the contact of the two metals (the metal in the cable and the metal of the ceiling) - preferably burlap. This prevents corrosion/decay and keeps kinks out of the suspension. I also know professional rigging materials are not available at home depot (the chains/cableing they sell are not up to snuff rating/stress/construction wise).

As important as this is, I rarely see the burlap in practice at clubs. Your best and safest route would be to consult with a professional rigger when putting up your trussing. Your talking some serious weight on it (plus the weight of the truss itself). It'll be piece of mind, plus an inspection may be required by law in order for it to be covered under the insurance the club has.

I rarely see the little flags professionals mark inspected rigging with, but when I see them, I feel a lot better working around it.

Thanks! I will take all of these precautions. I will not hang a truss that I am not sure about. We will have a structural engineer on site and I'll work out the weight issues with him.

Always best to work with professionals. Run everything through them. That's their job. Don't guess about anything.

Glad to help.

If your talkint bout a permamnent install you definately need to check with a construction/building engineering type company. I woudl even contact your local sound/lighting company to see if they do installs. Chain hoists are always an option but for somehting permanent ur prob gonna wanna rig directly do your building. You dont wanna take this lightly...work with the pros because if nto done right not only is ur equpment at rsik but ur guests too..huge lawsuit waiting to happen. Sounds like an awesome install!!

My question would be how high is the truss to be suspended off of the floor? If you have a high ceiling a motorized system to raise and lower the trussing would be a option to consider. It will become apparent the first time you change the configuration or relamp the fixtures - No rickety ladder climbing.

Also, for configuration and expandability, you may want to consider installing the trussing onto the floor with four posts. It stops the electric connection between the truss and the metal rafters (the need for the burlap). Most roof loads are figured for the weight of the roof to support (dead load) and temporary conditions like rain, snow, etc (live load). By installing trussing to the floor, you can hang/reset the lighting configuration as the needs change and to keep it fresh for the audience. See
"22X22 CIRCLE WITH OUTER LEGS @ Global Truss for an example. The legs can be anchored to the floor for seismic loading if required.

As to the electrical loading, the 30A circuits seem fine, just make sure the main panel can support the additional loading. The biggest problem I find at clubs, is the electrical service becomes under sized rapidly.

Thanks Spin ans AMp. The ceiling is only 12 feet. There is not enough room for the floor legs so I will have to attach it to the ceiling. This bar is basically a 50'x20 rectangle that is 2 stories. So you can see I don't have much room to play with.

Hey no problem! Also I dont kno how your venue is laid out but you should also utilize walls and unique attributes of the room. You can hang lights from I beam or truss around the room and also neon tubes to line the walls are a cool effect...use your venue to ur own creative ability...skies the limit!

I am a pro sound and lighting installer! What part of Texas are you from?

College Station Texas

dude! i just saw these on the elation site if u r gonna do an install check these out! click HERE!!!!
check out the effect shots that should give some ideas! if u can get 2 sets that would do nicely anywhere!!! just a heads up! peace! jingles!

Oh Yea! I demo'd these yesterday in houston. i'm going to install some in the lounge. They are awesome! Also, check out the xcelon (sp?). Really cool 575 watt light. I'm going to use it as a centerpiece.

Yes those are very nice pieces, just saw them on wednesday in person and super high quality. Not as DMX addressable as I would like but still a cool simple light.