Lights that work well without fog...

I think the Galaxian 3D Looks better in a lighter room than the Galaxian Royale. The purple gets lost when the room is too bright. Other lights that work well in a less than perfect room. The Revo 3, 4 & Rave, The Tri & Quad Phase. I just got the comscans, but I haven't got to try them in a brighter room yet, but I feel they will be bright enough to shine through a medium lit room. They do not get washed out by my Centerpiece which is an EFX-600 by Martin, and that light is 150 Watt discharge which is extremely bright.

Thank you for your reply.... I was at the DJEXPO in Atlantic City last week and saw some lights in action... I didn't spend as much time at the ADJ booth as I would have liked to though... I originally wanted the Galaxian 3D but the Royale seemed to look nicer in their booth... I'll check out the 3D again... ... Also a stand-out at their booth was the LED Quest (something I didn't even consider before the show)... it was the first light you saw when you got to their booth... one of my DJ's said the same thing.... and other lights I thought I wanted didn't seem to do well in well lit areas... I originally wanted the new Hyper Gem, the Galaxian 3D, The Revo4, the Dekker, Tri Phase...

Without it being dark or with fog, you can bearly see these lights or the effect they are trying to project... the wash lights seem to do very well under these circumstances... the profile panels (I have 2), mega bars and par cans...

I'm putting together a 20 light show... I don't want all wash lights though... I just want some of the LED effects to do better in well lit areas... maybe some intelligent, etc... Please keep the suggestions coming... I like ADJ lights and want to keep it mostly ADJ...

A lot depends on where and how you aim the lights. Walls and ceilings do great, but floors, not as well, mainly since the stuff gets lost in the crowd. It's fun for the people getting "hit" though.

Older fixtures like the original Electra, at 50 watts for the bulb draw, are just not that great without fog or haze. The second generation ones with the 250-watt bulb overcome MOST of that, but are still better with fog or haze. Brightness plays a factor, no doubt about it, but it's not the only factor.

Some lights, or rather most NON-WASH lights work better with fog or haze. But, there are tons that don't need fog as much as used to be used. ADJ seems to be moving in a direction with an ideaology of "no fog is good, but of course fog is better". More places are getting anti-fog and stuff like that. Some of us(not me) don't have fog machines and don't want to carry them. Honestly, I don't have much call for fog machines outside this one show I work on, and in that show, I NEED a fogger, so I'm getting one, an AccuFog 1000 to be exactl.

I would suggest checking out the ADJ product demo videos. They have lots of suitable lights that will work great with and without fog. And while you're at it, stay focused on the LED and DMX capable stuff since that's what you're aiming for anyways.

Thanks Chris... I did check out all of the demo videos and they all seem to be filmed in low light and with fog. That's why I was a little disappointed at the show because the lights I wanted didn't do too much in less than perfect conditions...

I'm still looking for suggestions from anyone with some experience with this...

Short of trying before buying, you have to trust the video or product description when they talk about how it looks with or without fog.

I do agree and concede that all the product demonstration videos appear to be shot with fog or at the very least haze. You have to remember, these are product demonstration videos and so they are working to best display the lighting. Naturally, they are going to bias the lights in a manner that best shows the product. Hey, if it was me, I'd probably do the same thing myself.

I will say this, I have an older Mystic and Vertigo, and they look great with and without fog. My Triloy and Double Twist work well without fog as well, but definately work better with fog. My Sunray III works ideally with fog, or at least with a somewhat low ceiling and not too far off the floor with the platform perpendicular to the floor. My scanner-type effects(Rover, Barrel Flex, Reflex, Electra) all work best WITH fog.

With my movers, my Chauvet Q-Spot 150's, those work great with or without fog. In fact sometimes they look better without fog so the beams don't show up, only the gobo at the target.

I won't mention my wash lights as they just don't care, and it's not the purpose. But, I did run my Mega Bar 50's through ground fog and it was freakin' awesome!

Another issue is are you looking for wide coverage?

See if any retailers will hook one up for you before you buy. I know Guitar Center typically has a decent rig of stuff, but it isn't varied enough based on what I saw when I was there last week buying an IEM. It was still a good selection though. Short of that, be patient waiting for results.

Of course, there is the mirror ball, which has been used in these settings for decades. Long before fog machines were generally available.

Perhaps the emphasis should be on finding ways to light the walls or other decoration such as hanging light strings. If you take some of those clips used for hanging things from drop ceiling frames, you might make it part of the decorations. I have seen lights used to illuminate balloons. windycitynovelties seems to have the cheapest at less than $1 each. There are a lot of colors to choose from. But, the problem with them is that they are flashing the whole time. I wish there were a way to remote-control them.

The paper lantern string lights may be another good choice. But, when you start stringing line voltage over people's heads, 12 volt stuff takes less concern in regards to safety.

American DJ makes a "Deluxe Rope Light Controller" but it is not DMX controllable.

Joe Dunfee