Fog vs Haze

I have recently purchased a ADJ Haze Machine and we are very happy with the product. I know that the Haze particulate is a 3rd or a 5th the size of a Fog particulate. So the question is and pardon me if this has been covered before.

Would the fog set off a smoke alarm before the Haze would? I know that excess use of either would eventually have alarm issues but moderate use of the Haze machine, I would think, wouldn't set the alarms off due to the particulate size.
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Modern smoke detectors have little to no problem with fog, haze and MOST theatrical smokes. However, pyro is a whole other arena.

At my event this weekend, I used a cheap DMX fogger, an AccuFog 1000(I LOVE this!!), an Antari HZ-300 hazer and an Antari ICE-101 ground fogger. This particular venue I don't think uses a fire alarm system. If the venue is on fire, they call 911 and run away screaming into the parking lot and run around in circles. Well, I don't see any detectors.

On Friday, I used the two foggers heavily. On Saturday, the hazer was on almost the entire time. The ground fogger got triggered for some extended runs by accident(we paused on some ground fog scenes by mistake) and the other two foggers had a fair amount of use.

Some venues have a NO FOG policy. It just depends. Check with the people who maintain the facility. I had this one band one time INSIST on running a fogger in a venue that said "NO FOG" and I was having to catch hell over it as if it was my fault. I told the band "DO NOT RUN YOUR FOGGER", but they didn't listen to me.

Some venues don't care, some don't know. Some don't know or care until they find out the hard way. Some that don't know may wish to find out, but since that often requires making an effort, it often doesn't get resolved.

Haze rocks though. I mean, I'm not really a fog guy, but haze changed my mind. The thin fog really makes beams and lights pop. It's definitely the way to go. Since I have to run haze heavily, I prefer going with a water-based option for all my atmospherics(foggers/hazers) so no residue is left on/in gear. This is mostly an issue with hazers since it works on what I think is called "mineral cracking". Not all hazers are compatible with water-based fluids, but the ADJ one is, which was what originally attracted me to it, but I liked the features of the Antari HZ-300 better. Water-based does NOT work as well as oil-based. The thing about the water-based that works for me is that when I turn off the hazer, it goes away faster, which for the shows I do and how I do things, I know how to work that in my favor.

As far as my policy is concerned: I don't offer fog unless the client asks about fog. I also have a rider that in the event of fog and any damages that may result are ALL on the client.

So, in summary, I'm glad you're happy with your new gear. Before you use it, please ask the management of the facility if fog or haze is OK. Don't expect them to know the difference. The odds are in your favor that in any facility less than 10 years old, you have a better than average chance of not having an issue with their smoke detection system.
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Originally posted by kartermichael:
Hi to all i am new into this community and i wanted some suggestions from you people, from where should i start to become a "DJ" because i love music but i do not have the complete knowledge.


So do you want to join any coerces or else you want to join some club?? Please be specific!
Each type of fog has its own applications.

I want to get a fazer, I want a thicker haze effect. I actually have a NEED for this effect.

Haze, well, depending on your events, just set it and forget it. It's running all the time, putting out super thin fog and people won't notice it yet your light beams are gonna be bangin'! I use it for my shows, especially the shadowcast show I do because it makes the cast and show appear to be "shot on film". I don't use the hazer full time though, just in certain scenes.

Regular foggers are great when you want a blast of fog or don't mind fog coming and going. Even though some don't last long, it does linger a bit. It's not bad or good, it just is. If it's right for what you want to do, it's perfect. If not, find out why and adjust so it can be perfect.

If you're kinda anti-fog or dislike fog, get the hazer anyways. Trust me on this one. It's good money spent for any DJ or company that does lighting. Totally worth the expense.
Good discussion...

Can anyone suggest a specific Hazer, I need something that is VERY undetectable, something that doesn't send out puffs of smoke, but VERY minor amounts, almost to the point where if you looked at it you wouldn't know what it is...so control of the amount is big for me, just turn it on leave it... is there a hazer out there that will do this?

I'd like to use it for all my events and don't want people to know I am using it...
in 14 years of productions i can say that BOTH are the way to go.... Use Haze on a steady flow mode with the fog in bursts for heavier songs... if it boils down to the fire alarm system at a school...haze is prefered, though it can still set the alarm off. But, with no restrictions, i say use both.
I use haze only at my DJ events. When I am providing lighting for a band, I generally run the hazer intermittently all night and the fog machines just during certain parts of their set. I have one band that really loves to fog it up, during certain songs and I have some cool chase scenes programmed that really look good with the fog. But, as for DJ'ing, I never use it and have yet to have a client specifically request it.
I useed to be a fog guy. Now after 22 years in the business it's almost all haze for me. Haze is more subtle and it great for the longer hangtime. Fog is mostly used for low lying effect with a chiller for me. Most venues are ignorant when it comes to atmospheric effects. The cheap DJ will show up with a $30 GC fogger and make a mess with the under powered heater. a

Small and large shows I will use multiple hazers around the stage area very lightly. Less noticlable but very effective.I have used a single large hazer and too much in the air at one time until it spreads out.

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