emarx how can I increase headphone I can explain how I change r1143 and r1144
be very annoying to play in a club with headphone so low
are willing to lose my warranty provided has the highest output
sorry for my english
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Try using more efficient headphones.
My Headphones is Sony mdr-v700dj
the problem is not the headphones
the problem is not the headphones
thats odd, I've used my old set of v700's and the output was fine. Even better with my denon's though 
According to the Sony web site, they have an efficiency (sensitivity) of 107dB per mW of input, meaning that with 1mW driving them, your ears will be blasted with 107dB at close range.
It would be safe to say that the VMS4 will have much more output than 1mW, so if you're failing to hear over 107 decibels right next to your ears, then you need to get your hearing checked!
Also, the impedance of the headphones will have an effect on the output level, as the headphone circuit will be driving a different load (like amplifiers outputting different amounts into 4 or 8 ohms), so it would be worth trying headphones with a different impedance - you do have spares, yes?
It would be safe to say that the VMS4 will have much more output than 1mW, so if you're failing to hear over 107 decibels right next to your ears, then you need to get your hearing checked!
Also, the impedance of the headphones will have an effect on the output level, as the headphone circuit will be driving a different load (like amplifiers outputting different amounts into 4 or 8 ohms), so it would be worth trying headphones with a different impedance - you do have spares, yes?
I do not know in which club,you play I had a Xponent(350£)and the headphone output was twice as high,when the master is too high also cue should be high enough.
dear grooving DJ
I have hearing problems,the headphone output is low and are not the only one to say
have a professional mixer?
try the same song and the same pair of headphones to compare the outpout headphone
sorry for my english
dear grooving DJ
I have hearing problems,the headphone output is low and are not the only one to say
have a professional mixer?
try the same song and the same pair of headphones to compare the outpout headphone
sorry for my english
Hello Tony,
Note that opening your VMS4 will void your warranty! Changing R1143 and R1144 from 18k to 12k will give you some improvement. But again, this will void your warranty.
Please try using higher gain and EQ on the channels then reducing the gain on the master for balancing the sound, and this will help you with more headphone volume.
I also think GroovinDJ's suggestion is good, which is use a pair of 32 ohm or even better 16 ohm impedance headphones for more output. The Sony's are 64 ohms.
Note that opening your VMS4 will void your warranty! Changing R1143 and R1144 from 18k to 12k will give you some improvement. But again, this will void your warranty.
Please try using higher gain and EQ on the channels then reducing the gain on the master for balancing the sound, and this will help you with more headphone volume.
I also think GroovinDJ's suggestion is good, which is use a pair of 32 ohm or even better 16 ohm impedance headphones for more output. The Sony's are 64 ohms.
quote:Originally posted by Tony Cagnoni:
I have hearing problems,the headphone output is low
I think that says it all...
To my ears, the VMS4 headphone output is more than enough. I take care of my ears, and always use a moderate volume when using headphones.
There are several headphone amplifier boxes on the market. If you really wish to damage your ears further, then you could use those to increase the volume.
tnx emarx
the sony have 24 ohms at 1 khz,I thought to take shenneiser 25 hd 1-2 but 70 ohms therefore less outpout,give me some advice,
use Native Instruments Maschine in my sets and I
instantly rhythm parts,I need to feel high
when the club the master is very high.
headphone advice??????please
sorry for my english
the sony have 24 ohms at 1 khz,I thought to take shenneiser 25 hd 1-2 but 70 ohms therefore less outpout,give me some advice,
use Native Instruments Maschine in my sets and I
instantly rhythm parts,I need to feel high
when the club the master is very high.
headphone advice??????please
sorry for my english
Why don't you try a headphone amp if you want more volume? That would solve your problem without having to void your warranty. Win win.
The Sony's can handle 3000mW. That is power hungry. Cheap headphone amps put out 150 mW for example. Also 107 db/mW isn't that efficient for headphones. For example, cheaper HD 203's are 115 db/mW or about 4x louder for same input signal. Slightly more expensive then the Sony's, HD 25-SP II have 114 db/mW even at 60 ohm impedance... You are using the wrong headset/setup for what you are looking for it seems.
I don't know much about DJ cans, know more about professional audio cans. But Sennheisser generally have the most efficient cans on the market. Sony generally has the most power hungry and needing amps much more often. I have a pair of HD 380 for the road and a friend of mine has a pair MDR-V900HD's. His cans can't hold a candle to mine till he gets a really powerful amp behind them (800+ mW or so). At home I have a set of HD 595's which are even better, but don't take to the road too kindly.
The Sony's can handle 3000mW. That is power hungry. Cheap headphone amps put out 150 mW for example. Also 107 db/mW isn't that efficient for headphones. For example, cheaper HD 203's are 115 db/mW or about 4x louder for same input signal. Slightly more expensive then the Sony's, HD 25-SP II have 114 db/mW even at 60 ohm impedance... You are using the wrong headset/setup for what you are looking for it seems.
I don't know much about DJ cans, know more about professional audio cans. But Sennheisser generally have the most efficient cans on the market. Sony generally has the most power hungry and needing amps much more often. I have a pair of HD 380 for the road and a friend of mine has a pair MDR-V900HD's. His cans can't hold a candle to mine till he gets a really powerful amp behind them (800+ mW or so). At home I have a set of HD 595's which are even better, but don't take to the road too kindly.
There's a good reason why a great many DJs today (including myself) use HD25 headphones.
Sennheiser make headphones and microphones - that's it.
Sony make computers, cameras, TVs, camcorders, home cinema systems, hifi, car stereos, games consoles, phones....
What is it they say about 'jack of all trades'....?
Sennheiser make headphones and microphones - that's it.
Sony make computers, cameras, TVs, camcorders, home cinema systems, hifi, car stereos, games consoles, phones....
What is it they say about 'jack of all trades'....?
Yamaha manufactures pianos, guitars, drums, bass, keyboards and motorcycles,
Yamaha pianos are among the best in the world
and motorcycles are world champions
are undecided between shenneiser hd 25 and Pioneer 2000
I bought a headphone amplifier (150mW)i have not solved,to play well with vms4 must buy a good sound card and a headphone amplifier,you first buy kontrol s4
sorry for my english
Yamaha pianos are among the best in the world
and motorcycles are world champions
are undecided between shenneiser hd 25 and Pioneer 2000
I bought a headphone amplifier (150mW)i have not solved,to play well with vms4 must buy a good sound card and a headphone amplifier,you first buy kontrol s4
sorry for my english
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150 mW is only 5% of what MDR-V700DJ's can handle. You will need at least around 1000 mW to get some push out of them, 2000+ to actually reach their potential.
What you basically have done is taken a 1000w speaker and driven it with 50w. That is not going to produce near the level of sound you are looking for. Chances are you are actually square waving the speakers in the phones.
What you basically have done is taken a 1000w speaker and driven it with 50w. That is not going to produce near the level of sound you are looking for. Chances are you are actually square waving the speakers in the phones.
quote:Originally posted by Tony Cagnoni:
tnx emarx
the sony have 24 ohms at 1 khz,I thought to take shenneiser 25 hd 1-2 but 70 ohms therefore less outpout,give me some advice,
use Native Instruments Maschine in my sets and I
instantly rhythm parts,I need to feel high
when the club the master is very high.
headphone advice??????please
sorry for my english
There are so many factors affecting headphone output and impedance is just one of them. I have Sennheiser HD 280s which are also relatively higher impedance and the sound on them is painfully loud using the VMS4.
Also please take my suggestions of increasing the gain and EQ to get more sound into the headphones. This will help somewhat.
thanks emarx
I use traktor eq because the sound is better and use autogain so all tracks sound the same way
so,I can not increase gain because they distort
I'll try to buy better headphones(pioneer hdj2000)
sorry for my english
I use traktor eq because the sound is better and use autogain so all tracks sound the same way
so,I can not increase gain because they distort
I'll try to buy better headphones(pioneer hdj2000)
sorry for my english
Well I have got the american dj hp-700 headphones and get really low output from my vms 4. Now these headphones are 64 ohm. Silly me thinking a american audio product would work with a american audio product
Hi geordie and welcome to the forums.
HP-700's will need an amp to get high output from them. That's what they are made for. Max power handling is 3500mW and 107db/mW. You are having the same issue as the Sony's Tony is having an issue with.
Tony, the Pioneer HDJ-2000 have basically the same specs as the MDR-v700DJ cans. You will run into the same problem you are having now. Try looking into Sennheissers or something else that is more efficient or get a much more powerful headphone amp.
HP-700's will need an amp to get high output from them. That's what they are made for. Max power handling is 3500mW and 107db/mW. You are having the same issue as the Sony's Tony is having an issue with.
Tony, the Pioneer HDJ-2000 have basically the same specs as the MDR-v700DJ cans. You will run into the same problem you are having now. Try looking into Sennheissers or something else that is more efficient or get a much more powerful headphone amp.
so to get my american audio headphones to work with a american audio product in need to spend more money on a different product. I am starting to wish I had stayed with allen & Heath
Nope, you simply bought the wrong headphones or bought them without looking at the specs. Its not misleading in the least, since they clearly print the specs for them. You simply didn't read the specs or understand what they meant.
Allen & Heath does the same thing. For example, calling the GL2400 16, 24, 32, and 40 frames when in fact they are 14+2, 22+2, 30+2, and 38+2 frames. Some companies would be even worse and call them 18, 26, 34, and 42 channel boards. In professional world, we count channels by number of mono channels. Stereo channels don't count since they often times have less functionality then their mono brothers. Case and point, all 4 frequencies on the GL2400 stereo channels are fixed vs 2 fixed, 2 sweepable on mono channels.
Allen & Heath does the same thing. For example, calling the GL2400 16, 24, 32, and 40 frames when in fact they are 14+2, 22+2, 30+2, and 38+2 frames. Some companies would be even worse and call them 18, 26, 34, and 42 channel boards. In professional world, we count channels by number of mono channels. Stereo channels don't count since they often times have less functionality then their mono brothers. Case and point, all 4 frequencies on the GL2400 stereo channels are fixed vs 2 fixed, 2 sweepable on mono channels.
My Sony MDR V300's (very old and very cheap) are perfect.
Capacity (W) 0.5
Driver unit (mm) 30.0
Frequency (Hz) 16 - 22,000
Sensitivity (dB/mW) 100.0
Impedance (Ohm) 24.0
My Technics RP-F290 are much quieter (but the do have big earcups to cancel out some of the external sound)
Driver unit (mm) - 40.0
Capacity (W) - 1
• Frequency response: 10 to 27 kHz
• Impedance: 22 Ohms
• Sensitivity: 102 dB
I love my sony's, i've had them a very long time (and they look it !), i'd recomend them for cheap cans.
The Technics look better, feel better on the head, and do offer closed cup listening, but they are quieter and you need a decent isolated booth to use them when gigging. I only bought them because i went to a gig forgetting my headphones and had to find the only place open at 9pm, the local supermarket!.
The Technics are often louder when i gig, depending on the headphone amp, i don't have a problem with the Audio4, but the VMS4 is pretty quiet and I guess I'd have problems (if i ever manage to get the VMS4 off the table and into the gig bag !)
Hope this helps ..
Capacity (W) 0.5
Driver unit (mm) 30.0
Frequency (Hz) 16 - 22,000
Sensitivity (dB/mW) 100.0
Impedance (Ohm) 24.0
My Technics RP-F290 are much quieter (but the do have big earcups to cancel out some of the external sound)
Driver unit (mm) - 40.0
Capacity (W) - 1
• Frequency response: 10 to 27 kHz
• Impedance: 22 Ohms
• Sensitivity: 102 dB
I love my sony's, i've had them a very long time (and they look it !), i'd recomend them for cheap cans.
The Technics look better, feel better on the head, and do offer closed cup listening, but they are quieter and you need a decent isolated booth to use them when gigging. I only bought them because i went to a gig forgetting my headphones and had to find the only place open at 9pm, the local supermarket!.
The Technics are often louder when i gig, depending on the headphone amp, i don't have a problem with the Audio4, but the VMS4 is pretty quiet and I guess I'd have problems (if i ever manage to get the VMS4 off the table and into the gig bag !)
Hope this helps ..